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Saturday, November 28, 2009

Have you traded spanking for shouting?

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Oh, I remember it well, one of the first times I held my sweet, non-talking baby girl while listening to another parent lose it with her older talking, walking child. I'll never do that, I thought to myself, I'll never scream so crazy nastily at my little girl.

Yeah, right.

I'd love to be able to say I have never raised my voice to earsplitting levels, or never had a tantrum to match a toddler tantrum that drove me to scream back at a screaming child. Even my kids still laugh retelling the story about how when they were teeny tiny (ages 2, 4 and 6), they got me good one April Fool's morning; my 4-year-old son yelled from the table into the kitchen: "Mommy, B spilled the milk again!" They knew I'd lose it, and at least they dissolved into giggles yelling "April Fool's" when I didn't fail to disappoint.

That's why I have to agree with Hilary Stout's New York Times article that says shouting is the new spanking, for some parents, which basically calls out my entire parenting generation for sparing the rod but not our vocal chords:

Many in today's pregnancy-flaunting, soccer-cheering, organic-snack-proffering generation of parents would never spank their children....(W)e spend hours teaching our elementary-school offspring about their feelings. But, incongruously and with regularity, this is a generation that yells.

For parents who have made the thought-filled decision not to spank, there comes a time--often--when timeouts, calm entreaties to "use your words," and counting frontwards and backwards from one to three or ten to one just don't cut it. We're human. We lose it. We yell.

But it always feels awful for everyone involved, the kids, us.

Numerous studies reveal the ill effects of corporal punishment on children, but there aren't a ton of studies yet to parse the effects of yelling at children, the article notes. There is one, however, a 2003 study published in the Journal of Marriage and Family, in which 88 percent of parents admitted shouting, screaming, or yelling at their kids at least once in the past year. Researchers may not know the full extent of the effects of yelling, and I imagine there are so many variables involved when assessing how shouting can affect a child's self-esteem. But the study's lead author, Murray A. Straus of the University of New Hampshire, says this: "If someone yelled at you at work, you'd find that pretty jarring. We don't apply that standard to children." Another researcher says being loud is one thing, but if your shouted words are tinged with anger, sarcasm, and/or insults, kids can take that as a sure sign of rejection, too.

The answer, clearly, is not to spank or shout. But how does even the best-intentioned parent pull off a lifetime of peaceful pronouncements and punishments with our kids? My parents never shouted, but they did spank. Not a lot, but enough for me to know I needed to do what they told me to do. I also never felt free to "talk back" and discuss my feelings with them at a young age, something I hope my kids feel free to do. They sure seem to!

Do you shout more than you ever thought you would? How do you discipline your kids without losing it?
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  • mnrawker's Avatar
    Posted by mnrawker Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:55pm PDT

    I have damaged my vocal chords pretty badly and am therefore not allowed to yell. I do spank, but rarely. Lately, talking to them in a calm quiet voice and informing them that I am getting angry and WILL FOLLOW THROUGH on punishment if they do not listen, gets the response that I want. I've been taking away toys now, because that seems to be way more effective.

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  • Katie W's Avatar
    Posted by Katie W Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:10pm PDT

    I only do this if im stressed out and of course tired

    If I yell I do appologize afterwards

    Maybe its because im part scottish and partially red headed :)

    What also factors into it is my daughter has a temper too

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  • Bryanna's Avatar
    Posted by Bryanna Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:23pm PDT

    I have been a yeller. I notice I yell when I feel I am losing control of the situation, or because I want to discipline without spanking---it's like "LISTEN to me!! I don't want to have SPANK YOU!!"---so if I just tell them once in a calm tone and say what the cosnsequence (not always a spanking) will be if they don't mind me, then I just go through with the consequence , no matter how reluctant I am about it. That way, I feel in control for future situations, trust myself, and save myself a headache from screaming.

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  • Super Abuelita's Avatar
    Posted by Super Abuelita Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:16pm PDT

    When my children were younger, I did raise my voice.

    My children are all adults now, and I am raising my two grandchilren.

    I have a "look" that my adult children very well remember.

    It was the same look that my mom had when I was young. I don't ever remember my mom yell or hit me.

    She didn't need to. The look was enough to make me behave.

    I use the same look. No need to yell or hit.

    Thank you mom!!

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  • usa's Avatar
    Posted by usa Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:57pm PDT

    there's a great book out there called "scream free parenting" that discusses how when you lose your cool you are actually looking to your children to take control of the situation for you because you cannot. I got my copy at wal-mart, and it's got some thoughtful insight.

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  • Karrie H's Avatar
    Posted by Karrie H Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:12pm PDT

    I have to yell sometimes. i have a 4yr old son and 2 yr old twin boys and i dont spank them, i just count to three and send them to their room if they dont listen. But then again i sometimes ignore them when they are fight with each other because if i broke up every little fight i would be exausted! I dont thank spanking is bad its just the manner in which you do it. A little pop never hurt but beating the child is diffrent!

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  • wendy g's Avatar
    Posted by wendy g Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:41pm PDT

    I do it sometimes, too, before I can stop myself, and then I feel even WORSE for yelling at a toddler...at least HE has an excuse.

    But, lets be fair. Most parents in the "olden days" (lol) spanked AND yelled. I don't remember too many parents who *didn't* spare the rod sparing their vocal cords any more than we do.

    Yelling is obviously not a good parenting strategy, it just acknowledges to all within hearing range, including your children, that you're losing control, but we're human, and sometimes we DO lose it. Better to raise your voice for an second than hit your kid.

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  • Insp 01's Avatar
    Posted by Insp 01 Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:50pm PDT

    I was spanked and yelled at, just enough as a child to be respectful as a teenager and adult. I do not spank my toddler, but she does get time outs and is made to relax by sitting on my knee and held there until her tantrum is over. However, I have seen a big change in kids from my generation to the current teenagers. This generation is much less respectful, manipulative, and more concerned with personal gain and self satisfaction rather then helping around the house and focusing on school. The respect generation to generation is failing, and it may very well be due to lax discipline in the normal household.

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  • Amaka's Avatar
    Posted by Amaka Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:53am PDT

    We are raising a much less respectful,much more selfish and much less disciplined generation. Discipline has been confused with abuse and the lines are so blurred, my generation is now raising the next generation to believe they are delicate egg shells who need to be protected from any and everthing unpleasant. I do not condone child abuse in any way shape or form but come on people, giving a child a spank or two in love is not abusing them. Because some sick and twisted people abuse their children physically does not mean the rest of us loving and normal parents need to go the other extreme. We now prefer to have shouting matches, extended and often ineffectual negotiation sessions and the occasional physical or verbal abuse from the children we are raising rather than give them a quick spank.I was spanked (not abused) as a child and I turned out alright (neither a saint nor a sinner but certainly not scarred or damaged) Life a full of hard knocks, sometimes a child needs a spank or two (in love) to set them straight.

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  • Apple's Avatar
    Posted by Apple Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:25am PDT

    LOL

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