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  Posted by Disgruntled Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:05pm PDT

  I didn't read your original post so I can't comment on that. I do have to say that I am 100% behind vaccinations and I have an autistic child. Personally, I don't believe that vaccinations had anything to do with my son having autism. Even if they did, I'd rather deal with my son's autism than the possibility of him contracting diseases like polio, whooping cough or measles. I lived in the UK and there was a growing trend of people not vaccinating their kids. There were also huge outbreaks of whooping cough in schools there. My son went to American schools but he played with British kids in our neighborhood so I was thankful that I'd had him vaccinated.

  I couldn't live with myself if I knew my child could be responsible for spreading deadly diseases that could be prevented with a simple vaccination. My aunt had polio as a child and wasn't crippled by it but now she has symptoms similar to MS as an adult which doctors believe are caused by the polio she had as a child. Personally, I don't want to see polio or any other diseases making a comeback. I know Jenny McCarthy has been the most out-spoken anti-vaccination celebrity. I know she has an autistic child but that doesn't make her an expert on autism and she certainly isn't speaking for all parents of autistic children. I think she does more harm than good and I don't take medical advice from someone best known for being on a tacky MTV dating show. Just my two cents worth on the subject.

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  Posted by Cougar Girl Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:22pm PDT

  Not sure if vaccinations contribute autism . . . I can say there as been a considerable rise in reported autism cases in the recent years though. I believe in vaccinations, even with the potential risk. I am in my mid-20's and it was only in my mom's generation that kids were still were getting the German Measles! Now that we have the cures for these things...(like whooping cough which made my mom's mom lose her eye when she was a child,). Why not vaccinate?

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  Posted by xo Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:27pm PDT

  Just like the poster above me, I did not read your previous post.

  There is an interesting document that comes out every week by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) called the MMWR. It is the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report that the CDC compiles from the previous week. It is usually 15-25 pages long and at the end of the document there is a lot of data on the current diagnosis' of various communicable diseases (such as TB, diptheria, whooping cough etc.)

  It is really funny how diseases like diptheria, whooping cough and polio are still being diagnosed in this country when vaccines are available for these potentially life threatening diseases. There are a lot of doctors who have not even seen whooping cough because it was almost erradicated from this country until recently.

  There have been multiple reports of kids getting measles and other diseases because of the simple fact that they did not get vaccinated. There was even a report of kids getting measles at a Whole Foods in San Diego after someone (presumed) was sick with measles and touched veggies or fruit that was then given to young kids.

  But then others still make the arguement over Thimerosal in vaccines and that is why kids are still getting autism.

  "Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose."

  ^http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

  So hmmmm...how can the preservatives still be causing autism when there is no preservatives in them?

  If child continue to not get vaccinated, we are going to have a serious problem with deadly childhood diseases.

  --Current Microbiology student--

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  Posted by Mimi-pz Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:15pm PDT

  Wow, CrabMommy-- I didn't read your original post, so I'll leave that alone....

  But I agree with you 100%. I am very pro-vaccines. I could not live with myself if I thought my child had passed on a disease. The problems with not vaxing are so much more dangerous than the side affects of vaxing.

  Well said!

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  Posted by HotCrossBuns Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:01pm PDT

  I COMPLETELY agree with you on the need for vaccines...MOST OF THEM.

  But, I think some of the vaccines out there, such as this new "cervical cancer" vaccine, which is not actually a cancer vaccine at all, but rather a viral vaccine that protects the person from a certain percentage of that type of virus (human papilomavirus), because of that minor percentage that it protects against, and even smaller percentage of the virus MIGHT cause cervical cancer in SOME WOMEN. Um, No thank you. I will discuss the option with my daughters when they are older, and when they decide to become sexually active, that will be a choice they make for themselves, in addition to birth control.

  The same for the varicella (chicken pox) vaccine. My older daughter was one of the first babies in our family doctor's office to receive the shot, and I asked him before the nurse gave it to her, "If this protects her now for chicken pox,what risk does she run of getting Shingles later?" The answer: "We won't know until the time comes." The result: Children are now having to receive boosters because, yep, they're all at risk for Shingles, a disease that can be much more painful and debilitating, and can cause permanent lifelong nerve damage. I'd rather my kids had just gone through the actual Chicken Pox like the rest of us did. Seems there is more of a risk of Shingles in these vaccinated kids than there is in the general "already had chicken pox when I was a kid" population.

  My older daughter was also the first in her doctor's office to receive the Rhodovirus vaccine, which was pulled off the market 3 months later because the side effects were extrememly adverse in many kids. Well, hmmm, shouldn't that have been found out in clinical trials BEFORE it reached my child's body? Luckily my daughter wasn't one of the unfortunate kids, but the experience sure opened my eyes to the dangers of willy-nilly vaccinating.

  And while I'm all for the MMRs, DTps, and whatever else the kids get...I also think these drug companies who make the vaccines have too much of a say in our legislation. Too many vaccines are being pushed on our kids, just for the sake of the drug companies making a huge profit. Our state tried to make it mandatory for girls ages 9-15 to receive the Gardisil vaccine. Guess who was pushing the bill? Merck...the company that makes the vaccine. Luckily it never passed, and I won't have to spend every Back to School season explaining to the schools that my girls will not be receiving it.

  So while wholeheartedly agree that vaccinating our kids is a crucial step to their lifelong health, I do wish there were better controls over the FDA clinical trials, the parasitic drug companies, and our legislators who are so easily swayed by the lobbyists for those companies.

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  Posted by JeanneMommy Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:48am PDT

  I'm sorry, but you can't be too aggressive when talking about vaccinations. I feel all non-vaccinate kids should be required to attend 'non-public' special schools. I feel those people who are going to unleash the Pandora’s box of disease, should be NO WHERE near my child. This society has a rude awakening, we need to be reminded of how bad things can get. In the mean time, I don't want my child harmed when these idiots learn their lesson.

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  Posted by Beth M Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:36pm PDT

  Thank you, thank you, thank you for making this argument. I could not agree more and like you feel that those who do not vaccinate are actually relying on me to vaccinate in order to insure that their children don't contract measles, or mumps, or whooping cough. I guess because I'm an "older" mom (38) I've heard my parents talk about their friends with polio and growing up with these diseases. Japan doesn't require vaccines and they too are seeing a rise in Autism - there have been too many reports that have conclusively said that there is no link between the two. Plus, there is more mercury in tuna fish than in vaccines. So perhaps we should also ban tuna fish. Whatever - thank you.

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  Posted by 1972 Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:35am PDT

  its a fact that vaccinations are all laced with chemicals that cause different types of problems for us and our children(specially newborns). you must not be ignorant to the fact that its right there infront of you, there are many other ways naturally to protect yourself from these types of problems. there are many legit people out there trying to tell the public whats really going on and then theres people out there purposly trying to feed us false information on vaccinations in america, kevin trudeau is one of many people you must trust and read. and i stress you cant believe the "bad" stuff on him or the "lies" he tells because its simply not true!....for every good positive natural cure, theres a dark negative lie that trys to make people believe it doesnt work! PILLS DONT TREAT THE DIRECT PROBLEM! THEY TREAT THE SYMPTOM!

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  Posted by eab0616 Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:28pm PDT

  How come the anti- vaccination people don't want to listen to DR.'s when they tell you its the best for your child and everyone involved to get them VACCINATED but the second things go wrong or they get sick they THEN want to listen to the DR's. Its just stupid studies show Vaccines are more helpful than harmful and i don't remember the percentage but there is a small percentage have bad outcomes a small percentage compared to BILLIONS OF PEOPLE! Plus there are countries where they can't get vaccinations and kids DIE EVERY DAY because of it and we have people here in our country who can get them the help they need, yet they choose not to do so. I just keep thinking about an article i read about a parent who gave their kid vaccinations and she then got sick. They had another child and did the same and she was fine. So they asked this mom if she could go back would she not give the first daughter the shots and she said WITHOUT A DOUBT I WOULD HAVE HER VACCINATED

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  Posted by xo Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:49pm PDT

  1972,

  You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

  Before making any kind of comment perhaps you should do your homework and realize that there are chemicals in vaccines in order to stablize it and make it so the vaccine can last longer during refridgeration.

  If those chemicals were not in there, then the vaccine would be utterly useless because most are not stable at room temperature.

  But I guess you just listen to one person and do not look at credible sources like the FDA, CDC and the NIH. Who is this "Kevin Trudeau" anyway? Is he a doctor? Or just some quake spurting medical advice?

  It is people like you that make others so inherently angry by your lack of common sense.

  PS: If you do not treat the symptoms then how do you think you treat the direct problem? Unless you have some sort of medical degree then I highly doubt that you have any idea what you are talking about.

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