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Saturday, November 28, 2009

Women behaving badly (and bullying each other at work)

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by Nataly Kogan for Work It, Mom!

Another title for this post could be: What the f* is wrong with us, women!

I read in an article over the weekend that according to the Workplace Bullying Institute (is there an institute for everything?) when women bully others at work they target other women 70% of the time, while men tend to target women and men equally. Workplace bully-like behavior is an ugly thing on its own, but the fact that women undermine each other and are nasty to each other more often just plain sucks. (I was going to write something more eloquent, but this topic doesn’t deserve it.)

This isn’t the first article written about how terrible women can be to each other in the workplace and it’s not the first time I write about it here — my post about being tired of dealing with bitchy women at work is one of the most popular on my Work It, Mom! Blog. Every time I think about this topic I go through the list of reasons/theories for why women have such a hard time supporting each other in the workplace: (the author of the article I mentioned has a similar list):

Scarcity theory
— we think that there are only a few positions of leadership available and we don’t want to help other women get there because it will mean we won’t.

I-had-to-fight-and-you-should-too theory — women at the top believe that younger, more junior women should fight their way up the ladder without any extra help.

Don’t-want-to-play-favorites theory
— if I help you, others might think I am playing favorites because we’re both women.

Women-don’t-know-how-to-compete-at-the-office theory
— we haven’t been in the workplace for long enough to figure out how to compete with other women without bullying/undermining/being bitchy to them.

I would never suggest that as women, we should support each other simply because we’re women. That’s as ridiculous as being nasty to each other just because we’re women. But I do think it’s important to think about our interactions at work and be conscious of how we might be altering our behavior when dealing with other women. The only way to prove the theories above wrong is to stop acting on them.

I like to end depressing blog posts on a good note, if I can — yes, I’m a little cheesy that way — and I have one. Here it is: I think as we gain more and more leadership positions at work, start and run more companies, lead and grow more teams, run for and get appointed to the highest political offices, we’re beginning to chill out a bit in ways we deal with other women around us. It’s about feeling confident, in my opinion, and it undermines all the theories above:

If I am confident as a woman in my position at work, I don’t worry about helping other women get to the top and then having them replace me.

If I am confident, then I know that my fight to get to the top has only made me stronger and I relish the opportunity to pass on my wisdom to other women.

If I am confident, I don’t worry how others may perceive my support of other women and don’t much care if they think I am playing favorites.

If I am confident I know damn well how to compete, on the sports field or at work, with women or men.

OK, I am drinking a lot of women power Kool Aid right now, but I really do believe this. And before this becomes the longest and most boring posts of this blog’s history, I am going to stop writing and ask you to share your thoughts:  Have you every been bullied by a woman at work? Why do you think women do this? Do you think as women, we’re getting better at being supportive of each other at work or do you think it’s a lost cause?

Nataly Kogan is the co-founder and CEO of Workitmom.com, an online community and helpful resource for working moms.
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  • Tasha's Avatar
    Posted by Tasha Thu Feb 5, 2009 6:48am PST

    I hate to say, but that's just how most women are. They look at every woman as competition. It's not just in the workplace, but in all facids of life. Men seem to get along great, while women can't support eac-other for sh**. It's terrible! Sometimes I'm ashamed to be a woman.

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  • Franklin's Avatar
    Posted by Franklin Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:09am PST

    WELL i live in columbus ohio and i can no find a job at all

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  • mommaofsun's Avatar
    Posted by mommaofsun Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:13am PST

    Some women, not all, are such petty and back-stabbing by nature. I agree with Ttop 100%--we view each other as competition. I have worked with and had very few friends that were genuine. I know they are out there.

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  • Grace A's Avatar
    Posted by Grace A Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:14am PST

    Yes I was bullied in my job by a woman who was my manager for two years. What is so amazing is that human resources did nothing to protect me. HR tried to retrain her, but she was going to be the B...

    she wanted to be. The woman manager did not just pick on me, no she was an equal opportunity abuser. A real need to punish people. And she knew how to manipulate the people she wanted to please and impress. I learned how to be stronger, more confident and able to smile through anything she sent my way. Women are far able to be abusive mentally and emotionally than men.I wrote a diary of the two years of events that someday will make a really good fiction story. If I shared the real story there might be lawsuits.

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  • ComedyFan's Avatar
    Posted by ComedyFan Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:14am PST

    I just encountered this myself. My boss is usually pretty cool-we even hang out together outside of work. Lately she keeps cutting me out of things. I'll be invited to a meeting, the time will get switched and she won't tell me, or there will be an extra spot open to attend a luncheon and she doesn't mention it (even after someone higher up suggested she invite me-I found out later). I honestly don't think she is trying to make me look bad, she just wants to make herself look good/indespensable. Still not cool.

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  • ComedyFan's Avatar
    Posted by ComedyFan Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:15am PST

    Also, Franklin McCray, I'm not surprised you "can no find a job" if you talk/type like that.

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  • Tracey W's Avatar
    Posted by Tracey W Thu Feb 5, 2009 9:46am PST

    I always try to be pleasant to everyone, woman or man. It is hard enough competing in a man's world, so when women compete it's triple dog dares. Speaking from experience, if a female co-worker is harsh, then by all means be professional, but call her out. If this aggravates the subject then still be professional, but no more pleasantries or acknowledgement needs to be presented. In fact, when the female continues harrassment, then I do a wonderful job of treating her like she is not there, only when neccessary do I address her and always be a professional snob. Eventually, they get the message, but cannot confine you because of your professional demeanor. Makes them look bad, and you look good.

    Although, many times I have had to walk away or take a break, where I may be found screaming in my car....and sometimes we all break down, even your adversary will have a bad day. Karma always wins!

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  • AnnaD's Avatar
    Posted by AnnaD Thu Feb 5, 2009 11:25am PST

    I used to work at a hospital as a nutritional aide and the woman boss that I had not only was she being stressed out by her male bosses but she was also being abused by her husband. I could understand what she was going through but I just wasn't about to be her scapegoat. I used to try to have a sit down meeting with her to discuss how I felt and she just wasn't trying to hear me. I ended up giving them my two week notice and leaving that job. Before I got this job, I worked at other companies where either the boss or the manager was a lady and it was a sickening joke. I lost the last job because I blew up at the boss because she was trying to make herself look good for this guy that she had the hots for. I was so fed up with dealing with stressed out, manipulative or bullying bosses it was a shame. Today, I am a Test Administrator and I run a test center. I have two other ladies that work with me and we get along great. After what I went through the last thing that I was going to be was a difficult boss. I feels good to come to work without dealing with stressed out, manipulative women bosses who try to hard to be like men.

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  • Lobster's Avatar
    Posted by Lobster Thu Feb 5, 2009 6:19pm PST

    That's true. Just today, I asked a question to a woman manager - regarding an issue of legality. She shoved me an attitude just kept repeating: Well, that's the way it is. I asked her again. "That is just the way it is!". Since then, I spit back the same attitude because I don't respect her. She was either showing her lack of intelligence or her intent to be a fictitious leader. She undermined me again in a meeting and I corrected her ignorance. But she kept her vocals loud to make sure I was at fault. (I hope lightning smashes down on her and her mouth.)

    I'm sorry to say, but my previous female and male managers would take questions of serious nature to heart and solve the problem. They show more maturity and intelligence that garners respect from me and the company if ever recognized. God, if she gets promoted, I'm leaving the company. It might go belly up.

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  • Richard's Avatar
    Posted by Richard Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:10pm PST

    I don't know if this is counterproof but I've been managed by a woman for five years in a large department with no other women and my boss has no lady peers or lady upper-management all the way to the CEO. All is harmonious. She has disagreements but there's no catiness. None of the men try to make her look bad and she's well-respected. What are the odds? She's also attractive.

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